<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32030828281484157</id><updated>2012-02-26T12:05:18.842-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The Elephant in the Room</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ohyeahiwentthere.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/32030828281484157/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ohyeahiwentthere.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Tina</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2wumDLoCtIo/TZpYfqp4HlI/AAAAAAAAAAM/X0RZtQAA3RQ/s220/smiley.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>1</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32030828281484157.post-7978483578003290024</id><published>2011-04-05T10:39:00.002-03:00</published><updated>2011-04-05T10:58:25.250-03:00</updated><title type='text'>Refusing service due to religious beliefs?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;So I've been quietly reading news articles and comments about an incident that recently transpired in town, I'll post links so you can&amp;nbsp;acquaint&amp;nbsp;yourselves.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/florist-under-fire-for-refusing-flowers-for-gay-wedding/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #073763; font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/florist-under-fire-for-refusing-flowers-for-gay-wedding/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;and this next link is the Christian defense to this:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #073763; font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://dannylirette.net/?p=85"&gt;http://dannylirette.net/?p=85&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;It actually only became a huge deal once the wedding planner decided to make a huge deal out of it, the brides involved kept it quiet, and despite what was published in the news, the entire e-mail to them was polite.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;Once it got blown up, extremists from both sides got involved. My issue is mostly the defense.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;My first reaction to hearing this on the news was simply "Wow".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;No wonder so many people view Christians as haters and have a skewed view of Church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;So I'm going to break this down and address the issues stated.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;Oh but before I do that, I do wanna state that I am a Christian and the same denomination as many of the ones who supported the actions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;So when I read the second link there, I'm reading that she was right in her actions of refusing service because homosexuality is a sin. Ok, So first of all, Yes the Bible does say that, and there are people out there that would argue that fact, but bottom line, it does say that in the old testament. but come on people if we're gonna use that for an excuse I have to point out it doesn't even make God's &lt;a href="http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/the-ten-commandments.html"&gt;top ten list&lt;/a&gt; of sins! And I ask you to go with me to Sin #4 on said list. let's read it together, shall we?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #0b5394; font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;'&lt;i&gt;Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.&lt;/i&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;Rut Roh .... I work on Sunday's sometimes I guess I better not order flowers from said shop. hmmm I don't have the best memory in the world but before this shop owner was a shop owner and worked in the local community seems to me I've seen her working on a Sunday before, just saying....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;How can we take one sin out of the Bible and put more&amp;nbsp;emphasis on it then others? I saw lots of Bible quotes when I was reading the comments, and I noticed something .... they were all old testament.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;As Christians, what's the difference between us and other God believing faiths? Right, Jesus. So lets fast forward 1400 years and see what Jesus says about the commandments shall we?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #0b5394;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;the 10 Commandments were summed up in the New Testament at Matthew 22, when Jesus was confronted by the religious "experts" of the day:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;"&lt;i&gt;Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments&lt;/i&gt;" (Matthew 22:36-40).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;Uhm, what does that second one say? Love your neighbor as yourself? you mean it doesn't say "Thou shall play God and judge and condemn &amp;nbsp;others"? no, it tells us to love our neighbors.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;I had to laugh at the irony when reading the comments on one of the articles, one of the supporters has the sign in name "wwjd", which begs the question, did any of them stop and consider what would Jesus have done?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;Well how do I know what Jesus would have done? Well lets go to God's word and find out!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #0b5394;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;Matthew 7:1-5&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;woj&gt;“Do not judge others, and you will not be judged.&lt;/woj&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-NLT-23294"&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;woj&gt;For you will be treated as you treat others.&lt;sup&gt;[&lt;a href="http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=matthew+5-7&amp;amp;version1=51#fen-NLT-23294y" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: underline;" title="Go to" y"=""&gt;y&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.&lt;sup&gt;[&lt;a href="http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=matthew+5-7&amp;amp;version1=51#fen-NLT-23294z" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: underline;" title="Go to" z"=""&gt;z&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/woj&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-NLT-23295"&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;woj&gt;“And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye&lt;sup&gt;[&lt;a aa"="" href="http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=matthew+5-7&amp;amp;version1=51#fen-NLT-23295aa" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: underline;" title="Go to"&gt;aa&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;when you have a log in your own?&lt;/woj&gt;&lt;sup id="en-NLT-23296"&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;woj&gt;How can you think of saying to your friend,&lt;sup&gt;[&lt;a ab"="" href="http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=matthew+5-7&amp;amp;version1=51#fen-NLT-23296ab" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: underline;" title="Go to"&gt;ab&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;‘Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,’ when you can’t see past the log in your own eye?&lt;/woj&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-NLT-23297"&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;woj&gt;Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.&lt;/woj&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;woj&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/woj&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;woj&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;I love that! It's one my favorite and most quoted passages.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/woj&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;woj&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/woj&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;woj&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;Well ok Tina, fine, but surely Jesus wouldn't have condoned such&amp;nbsp;behavior&amp;nbsp;by being around it or providing flowers to such people.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/woj&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;woj&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/woj&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;woj&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;hmmm, let's see....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/woj&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #0b5394;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;woj&gt;Matthew 9:10-13 says&amp;nbsp;&lt;/woj&gt;&lt;sup id="en-KJV-23390"&gt;10&lt;/sup&gt;And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-KJV-23391"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt;And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-KJV-23392"&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt;But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-KJV-23393"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt;But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;Jesus didn't surround himself by the righteous, he hung out with the sinners.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;But Tina, surely you cannot equate being gay with say working on Sundays? Oh but yes I can!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #0b5394;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;James 2:8-13 -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-NLT-30261"&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;Yes indeed, it is good when you obey the royal law as found in the Scriptures: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”&lt;sup&gt;[&lt;a d"="" href="http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=James2&amp;amp;book_id=66&amp;amp;version1=51&amp;amp;tp=5&amp;amp;c=2#fen-NLT-30261d" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: underline;" title="Go to"&gt;d&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-NLT-30262"&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;But if you favor some people over others, you are committing a sin. You are guilty of breaking the law.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-NLT-30263"&gt;10&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;For the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God’s laws.&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-NLT-30264"&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;For the same God who said, “You must not commit adultery,” also said, “You must not murder.”&lt;sup&gt;[&lt;a e"="" href="http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=James2&amp;amp;book_id=66&amp;amp;version1=51&amp;amp;tp=5&amp;amp;c=2#fen-NLT-30264e" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: underline;" title="Go to"&gt;e&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;So if you murder someone but do not commit adultery, you have still broken the law.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-NLT-30265"&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;So whatever you say or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law that sets you free.&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup id="en-NLT-30266"&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;There will be no mercy for those who have not shown mercy to others. But if you have been merciful, God will be merciful when he judges you.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;People, the ground is even at the foot of the cross. How can you condemn one group of people for one sin when you commit several sins yourself? Is this not the hypocrisy that we are so often accused of as Christians?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;Jesus calls us to be witnesses, to love our neighbors, not judge them. Judgement is not our job, it is God's.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;So do I think it was wrong to refuse service? It's not for me to say, for who am I to judge?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;The final word: Brothers and Sisters please don't blame your hatred and&amp;nbsp;intolerance&amp;nbsp;on God, take ownership for your own actions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table border="0" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="0" id="tencommandments" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: left; width: 825px;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr class="monotype" style="font-family: 'Monotype Corsiva'; font-size: 20px; line-height: 19px; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr class="monotype" style="font-family: 'Monotype Corsiva'; font-size: 20px; line-height: 19px; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr class="monotype" style="font-family: 'Monotype Corsiva'; font-size: 20px; line-height: 19px; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;td class="monotypebig" style="text-align: center; vertical-align: top;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 23px; font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/32030828281484157-7978483578003290024?l=ohyeahiwentthere.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ohyeahiwentthere.blogspot.com/feeds/7978483578003290024/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://ohyeahiwentthere.blogspot.com/2011/04/refusing-service-due-to-religious.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/32030828281484157/posts/default/7978483578003290024'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/32030828281484157/posts/default/7978483578003290024'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ohyeahiwentthere.blogspot.com/2011/04/refusing-service-due-to-religious.html' title='Refusing service due to religious beliefs?'/><author><name>Tina</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2wumDLoCtIo/TZpYfqp4HlI/AAAAAAAAAAM/X0RZtQAA3RQ/s220/smiley.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry></feed>
